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      <title>praise the politicians, whats wrong with me&#63;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2008-03-19T08:56:26Z</published>
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        <p>after months of criticizing every one let me begin the praise and prove how fair and equitable, to borrow some words i am and simply walk the talk or talk the walk or whatever
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the debates revealed some surprises. the biggest one was sonam tobgay dorji, the madmax of south thimphu. his performance at the debate with yz was unexpected as he spoke loud and clear about his political aims and ambitions. he also managed to answer yz questions and raise his glass for a proverb which no rural person listening to his radio would understand, but he over all would have convinced his rural voters that he is not intimidated or lost as they might have expected. yz could have done better but he must have approached his debate with too much emphasis on being the good guy from the good party thinking people would dislike tobgay dorji anyway. he lost in my opinion and tobgay dorji simply took a big step in th winning direction
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the other winner was dr tobgye wangchuck who completely overshadowed the quiet ex minister ut. tobgye made lot of mistakes with his dzongkha (which madmax did not) but he was more vocal and confident
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chhundu tshering didnt have much of an opponent but he speaks well and eloquently
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i cant remember the others i wanted to praise but i do remember looking closely at the savior of pdp in gelephu tshering dolker and noticed that her eyes if you stare hard enough look like two dpt cranes flying toward each other! amazing
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      <title>the great defence by sand and stone&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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      <published>2008-03-07T07:11:35Z</published>
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        <p>UT&#8217;s great defence of his donation to the lhakhang in south thimphu is a sadly misguided attempt at clearing his brother&#8217;s and his own name. it doesnt get rid of the facts which everyone knows. he should understand that technically and legally the ecb has already let go of his brother and pdp. thank the ecb, your lucky stars, and quietly put in the 200,000 you had set aside for your wife&#8217;s weekly cosmetics gift and end the matter. oh no you have to defend your self. they say dont jump around when you find yourself in thick shit. you will only get shittier and spray everyone around you as well as whoever is trying to help.
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your defence raises many questions. how did you get a quarry there and no one else. sand and stone is a sensitive issue you are deeply involved in which only recently got resolved. how can you afford millions and millions of donations? how hard is it when you say you worked hard to earn all this? if you can afford to put 200,000 in a small lhakhang prior to your brother seeking nomination, how much did you put directly into your brother&#8217;s party? while youre at it can you send a few thousands my way? cant afford the rent here and the taxis are expensive with fuel prices rising!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      <title>the moderators of the debates&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2008-03-07T07:02:24Z</published>
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        <p>The moderators:
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Did you notice the moderators? Where did the bbs and ecb find these chaps? They might have no jobs if Bhutan didn’t become a democracy! Imagine. They needed a country to change political systems in a way never attempted before, a king to leave the throne and draft a constitution so they could have jobs. Completely unaware of the issues themselves or even the rules of the debate. Sometimes a candidate doesn’t use his wrap-up time to talk about his party. He uses it to accuse the other candidate or party whose turn is finished and has no chance of reply. The moderator should not allow this. And because of the format of the debate we have to listen to the moderator more than the candidates. And as time passes by the moderators are becoming more confident and suddenly taking their chance to hog the limelight. I wont be surprised if villagers begin looking for their photos on the voting machines
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This moderator role should have been given to intelligent experienced people who could have corrected false statements as soon as they are made, ensured fair play and also played an additional role of disseminating election information after the debate. Senior people like heads of BBS and Kuensel or to Director CBS. maybe even some civil service directors but to these idiots. idiot box with idiots!............
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      <title>the great debates&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2008-03-07T06:59:43Z</published>
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        <p>Dear sr. moderator i cannot bring myself to watch the debates let alone cover them for the webstie so sorry. i will limit my views to the two debates which were supposed to be the biggest ones. i was left feeling impotent as if i expected a virgin and found a well travelled lady of the oldest profession instead.
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The great debates
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The pompous former pm against the spoiled former PM: you take your pick as to who is JYT and who is SN. Is it only me who sees the resemblance of both to actors from Chinese movies. jyt being the kung fu hero’s funny looking weakling sidekick who gets beaten up by the gundas and the hero takes revenge. sn being the comedian who is the butt of everyone’s jokes and prances around while everyone is kung fu fighting. Let me get back to the debate. The debate (as a speaking competition) was won by JYT but the debate as an issues competition was lost by both. in the end we will only remember the namaste they both performed in true south asian politics fashion
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The quietly ambitious schemer against the country’s first female engineer: YZ started very well but his joke about obama and Clinton fell flat mainly because he probably hadn’t thought of it himself. He also preferred to skip the issues and focus on the form filling of the pdp. Dorji choden focused on her own experiences with regard to election corruption in answering the question which was probably because she cant defend the actions of some of her colleagues in the pdp namely sn and few others. But it was a good tactic. The sad part about dorji choden doing well was that it showed how badly SN did a week ago. YZ seems to have learnt some of his new boss’ moves when he said as lyonpos he saw absolutely no chance of losing after all they are great achievers. Famous last words?????????
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Bring on the ministers&#8217; wives pleasssssssssssssssse ECB why did you disqualify them?
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      <title>apwangdrugay on the new politicians &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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      <published>2008-02-28T10:48:09Z</published>
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        <p>apwangdrugay on the new politicians.....................
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When I went to shaba paro to meet a friend the other day
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Who did I happen to meet but khandu along the windy way
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Hello lyonpo! (Couldn’t possibly have said former lyonpo, no?)
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Wai apwangdrugay how are you, we haven’t met for so long, mo?
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No la when you were a minister I couldn’t come to see you
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Then you began your campaign and I have been very busy too
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He smiled and laughed and said a thousand things in that little chatter
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So much more than the thousand times I met him as a minister
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So how should we use this to our advantage now I contemplate 
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Parties eager to give everything to the people on a plate
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Then I heard their speeches and their proclamations in print and press
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They say they will right the wrongs of the past and the policy mess
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But did they not have that chance for 10 long years as big ministers?
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Fancy cars, wives, RAPA and foreign visits, good examples this
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Now with new friends they roam the country with promise after promise
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Creepily humble like scalpers smelling dollar bills on tourists
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The new parliament of Bhutan will be quite a treat just you see
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Gone the flowery language and great oratory in Choekhey
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In its place lots of bad Dzongkha and chunks of Indian English too
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Rustic and rough image gone but experience and knowledge too
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Big talk and egos will fill the large hall of all empty spaces
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Minus wisdom culture knowledge and unity of the ages
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      <title>the electoral process&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2008-02-26T07:12:28Z</published>
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        <p>here is the great commentator back again
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i take back everything i said about the presidents of the parties. i had asked sometime ago that they should send their wives to campaign in short skirts but since thats not happening i am happy to watch the presidents make fools of themselves
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the presidential debate between two future PMs was far from presidential. people seem to have enjoyed it if they were DPT supporters and not so much if they were PDP. but in the end people forgot one thing. this is a debate between future PMs in a democracy. and if you take it by that standard the debate we have seen between high school kids on arcane topics were much better.
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this one was far from a debate between leaders. sangay ngedup couldnt get over his fear of looking stupid that he really behaved stupidly giggling like a child and not taking the chance to ask questions. jigmi thinley it seems couldnt be more smug that he can speak in public and he just couldnt get over the fact that they have to be addressed as &#8216;ex lyonpos&#8217;. he kept harping on this change in title like a spoiled brat not allowed to do what he wants. you are a former lyonpo no matter whether your ancestors down to yourself worked in the palace or government. accept it gracefully
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      <title>the state of the nation address by president of idiots apwangdrugay&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2007-10-11T06:44:22Z</published>
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        <p>ladies and gentlemen, in the year that has gone by as president of the idiots of bhutan i have learned a lot of things. ruling you all, idiots that is, has been easy. you have no idea what is happening other than what the person in front of you is saying. sometimes you dont even know what you are saying while you are saying it. so thank you idiots for letting me be the president of this esteemed society
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the real ruler of the country gave up his powers and the new ruler is helping to speed up the process - really how did we idiots end up being born in this amazing land? somehow there seems between the sky and the earth to exist a sieve, a filter which decides which of the powers go down to the people and which should stay somewhere in between. this filter seems to be very very strong because the people holding it have kept all the power. when the king was there they were ministers, then the king gave up his powers to the minister, then the king said let thepeople have all the power after 2008, so what did they do? they became &#8216;humble members of the people&#8221;. so now the ministers are touring as ordinary folks and taking all the power that has been granted. what do we idiots do? we get fully involved. we decided that we have to take sides and whoever supports someone else is to be hated. our country is being divided into people who are either related, from thesame community, being paid by or is forced by, the PDP or the DPT. we are no longer bhutanese. we are politicians. how fast things change, it s unimaginable. well not that unimaginable after all if you can go from riding high and mighty in a land cruiser followed by a prado to being a true son of the soil living in huts anything is possible
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so there it is my fellow idiots, we are being fooled. how do you fool idiots when they are already fools? by making an idiot think he is smart and knows what politics is about and then getting him to fight for you. thats what the parties are doing. they want you to believe you know what is good for the country or community and then they tell you they can get it. i dont know whether i should take a bath or not today forget about what gho i&#8217;ll wear tomorrow. the last thing on my mind is what is good for bhutan. but the politicans tell me that i am an intelligent man able to tell what is good for &#8216;my people&#8217; and they tell me i should join them. i will be a valuable member. i am beginning to take myself seriously now. i think i could be a minister someday and bring bhutan to be the greatest country on earth
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sorry, i am supposed to be the president of the idiots i shouldnt think so great. or is thiinking so great a part of being an idiot. i am lost. where am i? in a land where a good king rules over a good kingdom, but a small group of people block the rays of the light from the king to the people. if only we could swat this group away imaagine the great things we would receive over and above everything we already have got from the monarchy. oh hell thy name is democracy!!!!!!!!!!!
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      <title>the third party is like the third testicle it doesnt exist&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2007-10-04T10:12:38Z</published>
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        <p>bpup is not to be
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so sayeth the EC
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every thing ap sha sigay has tried
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no is the answer cut and dried
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where is wangcha sangay the intellectual?
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he is the man, the future, he knows it all
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what words what poetry what praise
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Alas all in his own honour he does raise
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this leaves the great chor malik
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but hes in jail his wounds to lick
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what about chang dorji and chang chimi and chang ugyen say ye?
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oh but there is that little thing they call the university degree!
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this leaves the kalyon and the speaker of the former parliament
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both still reeling in shock from how fast the glory days went
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as i said before one sits alone on his seat in the assembly hall
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the other moans &#8216;the higher you are the harder you fall&#8217;
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      <title>Bureaucracy SAVE US!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&amp;nbsp;</title>
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        <p>living in the middle of the sea of people i see
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nothing much seems to be happening for me
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parties go helter and parties run skelter
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am left alone from politics theres no shelter
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day to day life hasnt and wont change much
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though they keep promising such and such
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country will continue to require every ministry
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running well in the good old bureaucracy
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if politics is good then by the great heavens, its a miracle!
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if not, for their each bad deed, the bureaucracy an obstacle
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fear not, good bureacrats have joined the parties you say
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they&#8217;ll be as lost, for all their good intentions, as a needle in hay
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so in the people that in the civil service remain
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we place our faith and trust to ease away the pain
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of a democracy of good thoughts and intentions
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led astray by over ambitious novice politicians
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      <title>the madmax against the spiritual minister&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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        <p>thimphu lower constituency
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will host the fight of the century
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booming voice against quiet shrewdness
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get ready for the flood of nastiness
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one claims royalty and great intelligence
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he says hes from harvard in order to convince
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the other has a quiet and simple manner
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oh yes he too studied in good old americana
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max joined, we dont know why
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zimba joined just by the by
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both born in punakha, census here
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real ambitions, the true reason is clear
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no claims to alleviate poverty
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cant do much of that in the rich capital city
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instead max says zimba is ineffective and slow
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the question is whether max himself is all show?
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mad max saya he is committed to be one of the people
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by that did he mean fighting with the kids under the billiards table?
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Zimba says he is but a simple and spiritual and humble man
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forgot to mention rich and powerful and godfather of his clan
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like sangay n and jigmi t little to differentiate between the two
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one is old and one and young, other than that who is who?
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both want power both want glory
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same people from the same story
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