How do we define GNH??? 
Posted: 14 August 2007 09:19 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Only two articles of Human Rights declarations states:

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Are we as citizens of Bhutan enjoying just two of 30 declarations of human rights in Bhutan?? Can we say that we have GNH when we don’t even have freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Thank you Bhutandaily for letting us to publish this articles coz none of other website has such place where we can express our heart. Not Kuensel nor Bhutantimes.

Human Dignity:
Every human is human and nobody is too big or too small. Every person has right to be respected and to respect others.  A person does not become superior because of his political status, material possessions, or social status. Every person is important in his/her own standard and position.
It is not only high ranking officers who deserves respect but even simple citizen of the country. No one should be looked down just coz one is just simple citizen. So not only red kapney officers deserves respect, every one should be respected. Red kapney cannot exist if there were no people.
There is no guaranty that king will never make a mistake. King can make major mistake and cause major damage to country. So king should always hear what citizen has to say. It is not that citizens are always wrong and king is always correct.
Bhutan lacks this two side story. Bhutan is run by one way street. No one is allowed and no one can question Wangchuk dynasty. Is Wangchuk Dynasty supernatural who make no mistakes?
No. What Bhutan sowed in ignorance in 90s will reap now, through Maoist who are backed by communist of the world. ALFA and southern Bhutan problems are nothing compared to what we are going to face with communism. You may not believe now time will tell us.
But if someone during National Assembly criticized RGOB for handling of southern problem during those hot days, he/she will be a black sheep of the flock and would end up in Chemgang.

To be continued::

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Posted: 15 August 2007 09:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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shut the sdfldsf up. you dont know what youre talking about. you can have criticism but not just to talk about our king and country like this. use reasons. and moderator, ..., either you moderate when it is against our king or we will find you

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Posted: 16 August 2007 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Relax Laloo, the only way to challenge idiots like brokpa is through facts. the measure of a good leader of a nation is easy. look at the nation. a beacon in in the region, a new democracy, peace and stability, widely admired development philosophy, devolution of power, socio-economic development, peace with neighbours, strong culture and traditions and on and on.
really, you have to be a fool to say anything against this. Granted we have the normal problems of any society and as moderator of this website i will be the first to admit we all like to gossip about them/ probably this is why out websites are full of complaints and criticism. but let it be said that our country is lovely and to be admired. you brokpa would do well to write either with hard facts or risk being simply labelled an unhappy incompetent fellow, as you most likely are.
We appreciate any kind of posts here and you’ll find yours is still up though you seem to think you touched upon a sensitive issue. the only reason for it being up is because of its complete unbelievable nature, it’s hilarious. if your foul mood and temper do not hurt you, we are happy to read your posts and laugh. the country is wonderful, the king has done a good job and we are off to a new era with democracy, meanwhile you would i presume continue to be outside looking into Bhutan and lamenting

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Posted: 16 August 2007 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Thanks moderator for great suggestions and advice. I like this Forum coz this is open place to discuss anything and place where we can speak out our heart. I hope you will not block me just coz I wrote against king. I did to bhutantimes and kuensel and they blocked me. I want to let you know that I am not from Jhapa or any antinational group that is disturbing our country.
I am a simple citizen with big vision of my nation, willing to sacrify myself for the wellbeing of my people. I have no political agenda but I have big heart for the people.
I am not highly educated but can understand what is wrong and right. I am not futurist to know future but can percieve what will be the effect of certain decisions that is made in Thimphu.

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Posted: 16 August 2007 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Its appalling to see some members on this web site, who in the guise of being Bhutanese- would use this forum… to belittle our country’s achievements...... such brutish behaviour will not be tolerated by us…
It is quite obvious that these individuals harbor great antipathy towards our country. 
Is envy the cause of such malicious behavior?
These individuals should appreciate Bhutan… we are one of the few countries in South Asia that remains to be a stable, people oriented and democratic nation. Instead of hoping for the worst from us… you should spend more time studying how we have worked towards bringing our country to this stage, our experience might me worth looking into. You should take back some lessons from Bhutan that can be applied in your own country.
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Posted: 17 August 2007 09:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Pema!!
Thanks for your comment and argument. Yes Bhutan is very developed thats why people in remote Eastern still has to walk couple days to get to motorable road. Yes Bhutan have achieved economic prosperity thats why people are still hungry and naked. If Bhutan has attained so much how comes that it still takes three days to travel from east to west? Why are so many children in the south are still cowherding and working in the feild who should be in school? If we have free press, Why do government control the press so that we have only one weekly bulletin which is also the mouth peice of government. Yes you may say this developement. You may compare Bhutan with south Asian countries. Its shame for us to say that we are one of the prosperous country in south Asia. Just take example of Bangladesh which is one of the poorest country in the world. Can we compare ourselve with Bangladesh? No. Not even in soccer. Forget about economic developements. Yea they have more poor people than ours. But they are far more advanced than we.

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Posted: 19 August 2007 04:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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hai Brokpa, apply those two human right articles to your Nepal,, before you talk about Bhutan. Remove your caste system, let the untouchables be equal to everyone. In Bhutan every one is born equal and live equal. We do not have the caste system like you. And Freedom, we have what what human right can consider as rights of the people. We Bhutanese enjoy every aspect of human right, but may be for a traitor like you, you will never get what you think as your human right even if you are in USA, but yes they might sent you to gauntanomo bay, and that is the place people like you are sent if you are in USA.
I agree that Bhutan is not a very rich country, but developments are taking place under the guidance of our beloved monarch. Bhutan is one place on earth where you will find the least number of beggars on the street. So where did you find people living in hunger and without clothes, may be in your filthy dreams of Nepal. common brokpa, nothing works without proof, and do you have any evidence. claiming yourself to be true citizen doesn’t make what you actually are.
Who claims that Bhutan is very developed. Do not exaggerate things to get your points. The world knows Bhutan is a developing country. Even in the most developed country like USA, I do not thing every mile is connected by motorable road. so brokpa, write something that people will be able to believe.Just forget comparing Bhutan to Bangladesh, instead compare your Nepal with Bangladesh.
And what sacrifices are you willing to make… for your greater Nepal?  We do not need your sacrifices. Our monarch has already made sacrifices for us by leading the war against the militants. Why do every Bhutanese love our king so much and why is there so much of loyalty to our monarch, because he has done too much for the security and wel being of the country. You can sent this message to your king in Nepal.
It is good that you have been blocked from writing in kuensel and Bhutan times, and you are lucky now because the moderator in Bhutan daily does not seem to have the authority to block you. you do not have to worry about your location, whether in Jhapa or Bhutan, your ip address will show it.

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Posted: 19 August 2007 01:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Hi, Malika
Thank you for your comment and I appreciate for your love towards our Drukyul. Many Many thanks. I also like to clarify that I am not from Nepal and I am not Nepalese. I am Bhutanese just like you with all documents like you. I speak Dzongkha & Tshangla (Sarchokppa). If this was in court I would have shown my citizen and passport and my other documents.
I wonder why you told me to go and talk to govt of Nepal. I have never been to Nepal. You cannot prove me that I have been to Nepal. I want to let you know that I am not talking and comparing my beloved country with Nepal. But I am making aware of Bhutan.
Malika you have been brainwashed by RGOB propaganda and have never tasted whats like real democracy. You are just comparing the taste of Nepal and India where the govt are corrupted and principle of democracy have been diluted. I too don’t want the democracy of India and Nepal. But I want pure undefiled democracy in Bhutan where the Leaders will be elected by people for the people.
Malika if you talk about Bhutan’s human rights, I am not the only person to talk about. 99.9% of the countries in the world knows that Bhutan is voilating human rights.

Just a simple example of human rights voilation:  Forcefull wearing of Gho & Kira in the name of preserving tradition of our ancestors. You may call it preservation of tradition but its forcefull law.

Two:  Where is freedom of speech and press?? Whatever you call it but it is suppression of Monarch. I have never found any other country where the media is so much controled by government. World knows that this is human Rights voilation.

Three:  Freedom of Religion???? Why did government of Bhutan arrested so many monks and lamas in the east when they just express their ideas?? World calls it human rights voilations when someone is arrested for religious belief.

Malika do you want me to write all the points. How many pages do you want?? Let me know. I am willing to invest my time to let the citizens of Bhutan know that their human rights have been voilated by RGOB.

OH!! IP address. Don’t worry RGOB are so advanced coz of the dedication and sacrifice of the Monarh that you have so many computer experts who can find my ip address just coz I am speaking about Human rights.
Well You call this to arrest anti-national in your RGOB’s term but this would be called HUMAN RIGHTS VOILATION in world term. Coz I am just expressing my freedom of expression rights.

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Posted: 20 August 2007 04:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Hey Brokpa, if you are from somewhere else, I dont blame you because you need the heart of a Bhutanese to be a Bhutanese. But if you are a Bhutanese, as you claim to be, I would be ashamed to be associated like a person like you. I am cent percent sure you are not a Bhutanese. If you still claim to be one, maybe you are misplaced here, go back where you deserve…

You talk about forceful wearing of the National Dress!!! Certain forms of discipline exists in all kinds of societies. Can you imagine people coming in half pants to offices? A society must always have some laws else it would be chaos. For Bhutanese, wearing the national Dress has never been forced. when you are a Bhutanese at heart (unlike you) we feel the value for our culture and we embrace it with pride. Culture and tradition are our weapons in this gruesome world. Today Tourism is the second highedt contributor to the GDP, what do you think many tourist are here for? Not to see people fighting with each other!!! not to see people dying in hunger!!! They are here to experience the peace, tranquility and unity of the country…

And you talk about Freedom of speech and press around the world!!! How far have you seen the world to make such a comparison? Just because you have the right to go on the streets and shout and close shops and offices doesn’t mean you have the freedom. One man’s freedom of speech should enfringe and disturb others peace. You perhaps refer to freedom of speech and press in the western countries. Look at their history. It took hundreds and hundreds of years to reach where they are (but personally I would still consider them lower than the Bhutanese on the happiness index). And in Bhutan we are talking about a few decades… a comparative analysis need to be done… and in these few decades we have definately come very far. The applaud of the world speaks in itself… A blabber from a person like you wouldn’t make much sense…

And yes you talk about freedom of religion!!! Because of differences in thought, there are bound to be certain differences. Even two brothers do not agree on one point. The constitution of Bhutan states that all citizens have the right to practice any religion of their choice. But people must not coerce others to join… I guess you know what I am talking about...You know more of those kinds…

Dear Brokpa33, Just because there is some kind of freedom of expression, dont misuse it to make weightless comments. Yes Bhutan has a long way to go, yes there might have been ups and downs, yes there are little differences but we have always been one nation with a common dream. Which country in the world has a clean history?

If we would have been shaken by people like you, we would have already been in shambles by now. But we are not going to be!!! You try how much ever you can!!!

Long Live His Majesty the Kings, Long Live Palden Drukpa and Long Live the Palden Drukpas....

A proud unshakable Bhutanese....

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Posted: 20 August 2007 10:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Dear Palden,
Your name is so sweet and you must be nice person. I like your comment praising our beloved nation. I am not saying Bhutan is bad but people who are running Bhutan is wicked & corrupted.
What a shame on RGOB for forcing its own citizens and manipulating to do something that only few people called it cultural preservation. Palden if citizens like to wear gho and kira then why RBP are arresting innocent people in Smaller Dzongkhag, forcing them to pay fines and letting the rich & officer’s children in Thimphu to wears jeans. Let there be freedom of clothes in Bhutan and let us see how much you will preserve your culture. 99.9% people in Bhutan don’t want to wear gho & kira and this is fact. You go out and ask 100 people if they prefer to wear gho/kira.
I have worked in Tourism and don’t fool people saying that tourist come to Bhutan just to see gho & kira. It is a different taste to see from outside as tourist and to be one of those suppressed citizens. I have never seen a single tourist wearing that gho after they left Bhutan although they buy. (I meet many of them out of country)
Palden you were born in pond and don’t know the taste of lake and sea. Thats why you have never known what is freedom of speech mean. So I don’t want to waste my precious time explaining something that you don’t know off. I cannot explain the taste of sugar unless someone that have tasted the taste of sugar.
You think that Bhutan is much higher in happiness index than western countries. WOW. Palden why do you think like that? I have been to many western countries and maximum of the pooulation are so happy and are living a satisfied life. I also found many unhappy and sad people in Bhutan who have been deprived of education in the name of NOC/Dependent rule/partiality in offices etc. (List goes on)

Why countries in the world have freedom of religion and still prospering much more than Bhutan? Why can people worship whatever they believe in their heart? Why forced them to worship something that thier spirit don’t want? You ask me examples I can write history on how RGOB have discriminated other faith beside Buddhism and Hinduism. I am not talking about agreeing two brothers. But eventhough they don’t agree one should be given a freedom of doing what he beliefs.

weightless comments!!!! WAI, do you think I am wasting my time writing those weightless comments?? NO They are fact and real that the citizens of Bhutan have been robbed off of many rights.

Palden you bark like dog as much as you want but truth is always truth and truth will always win.

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