How Clean or Corrupt is current RCSC Secretary? |
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 05:38 AM |
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Aaarey yaar, I am disturbed to hear that Dasho Bap Kesang is corrupt doing push and pull of his people. Someone gave me the following facts about scholarships given to his relatives.
Major General Batoo Tshering’s daughter and son-in-law:
Rinchen Peldon, niece, Cornell University, USA
Singye Namgyel, nephew, Cornell University, USA
Druk Air MD Sangay Tenzin’s sons:
Karma Tenzin, nephew, Cornell University, USA
Jigme Tenzin, nephew, Oregon University (?), USA
Cornell, Cornell, Cornell! USA, USA, USA, USA!
Help us God. Save our country from white collar corruption.
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 11:29 AM |
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Arey yaar.........zindagi mey to aisa he ho ta hai.....kya ka rey ga....bol ta hai....zindagi ek tak dir ka khe la hai.....jo ji ta hai, wo hi si kan daar.........
Yes, that’s true. The guys you referred to are all studying in USA under the RGOB-related scholarships. But HOW they got the scholarship?......I have no idea......someone must enlighten us about it.........anyone??....please come forward........
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 12:49 PM |
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Akudrukpaa allegations don’t sound credible at all.Firstly, Bridager Batoo is definitely not related to Dasho Bap so the angle that his daughter and son-in-law have got scholarships to the US because thet are his relavtives in an outright lie. Secondaly, Karma Tenzin although related to Dasho Bap got his scholarship before Dasho Bap was in the RCSC and he has since compeleted his studies and has been working for a number of years in the Forest Department. The scholarship I beleive was from the WWF particularly for environment and frostery studies which was the field that he was working in. Lastly, I have never heard of any rule saying that full scholarships to the US are not permitted as there are a number of students studying in the US under scholarships. The person should understand that these scholarships are funded by donors and not paid by RGOB and which if not utilized will be lost.
Akudrukpaa whoever he may be should also understand that he is doing a great disiervice to his country if he is a bhutanese by trying to raise these false issues on a very fine person and a true son of the country. Dasho Bap as far as I know having worked under him is regarded by whomever I have met as the kind of leader that everyone would want to work with and one of the finest officers in the RGOB. If you ask any person in the Revenue and Customs where he worked as a Director or in the RCSC will vouch for him. we need leaders like him in our country so Aku if you have any love for your country do not malign the clean and fine officers so that you can put your corrupted people in. The Bhutanese peopel are not fools to get fooled by your absurd allegations.
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 01:14 PM |
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..................hai basanti...te ra naam kya hai?? ............
Basanti ney bol la, “ ....I have never heard of any rule saying that full scholarships to the US are not permitted as there are a number of students studying in the US under scholarships”.....you are right......we do have so many guys in the US studying under different scholarships...but under scholarships we never heard of....... RCSC is proud to streamline all the scholarships and they claim they select candidates through open and transparent selection processes....then...how come there are so many scholarships that we never knew was there?...why don’t the RCSC publicly annouce these scholarships like it does with the low budget scholarships to other third world countries?......as a matter of fact, yaar.....only the people of Bap’s ranks know about such scholarships.
Again, Basantaji ney thrik bo la, “ The person should understand that these scholarships are funded by donors and not paid by RGOB and which if not utilized will be lost”....hahaha....this is very common sense............but what is nonsense is......they are so afraid that it will be lost and so they give it to the kids and relatives of high people only.........kiw??
........hai basanti......Gabar Singh kya sa jalak hai, tum ko maloom nahin hai kya?......
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 01:27 PM |
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Lengo eyes,
They say that little knowledge is very dangerous which is very appropriate for you. Yes there are many different kinds of scholarships offered and and it will not be possible for you to hear of every scholarship unless you are the scholarship officer in the RCSC. While there are open scholarships offered by donors which are advertised in Kuensel, there are those that are specific attached with specific projects or for specific requirements of an orginization. And these scholarships are not advertised but go to the specific project for which it was in the first place given for. Example WWF gives masters scholarship for person who are in the forestery area to become say national park managers so the scholarship is given to forest who will nomnate their candidate. Or scholarship is given for say an opthamologist for Health so health will nominate an ompthamologist. Got it so don’t bring your half knowledge and show how stupid you are. Do some research and then give us your comments.
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 03:03 PM |
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My dear Basanti....I didn’t know you were so much ignorant and the more so arrogant.
If things happen as you say, that’s very logical and everyone would not complain. But why do you think so many guys are complaining? For fun? You think they have nothing else to do? you think they are crazy? Come on dear Basanti. Please think well before you key the words to your imaginations and thoughts which look very absurd and which embody a little bit of your stupidity. If you have nothing wise to say, I tell you dear Basanti, silence is golden.
I pity you so much like a High School student who still does not know how to write a good leave letter. I have not much time to explain it to you all but let me tell you one thing.
Every scholarships anywhere and from whomsoever must go through RCSC. At least, this rule applies to our middle class people very much. You didn’t know this, did you?. If you are the forest official who WWF awarded a scholarship, and if you have some logic in your cranial box, you see that there is nothing to do with the RCSC. You can take the scholarship, go for studies, come back and serve our government. It’s so easy, right?. But dear Basanti, real life go out of phase with our common sense and logic. You must process your scholarship through the RCSC and must un-necessarily ask for RCSC’s permission so that you are legalised to undertake that scholarship. Now I know this is hard to digest but you ask anyone and you will get a stomach ache!. And, the main problem is not having to process your things with the RCSC but the main problem is that they will not give you the permission if you do not have a solid guy behind you. They will not bother you got the scholarship. They will not care WWF awarded the scholarship to “you” and not to the RCSC. If they know you are from a middle class family or if they are jealous of you or incidentally you had an old argument with a scholarship official at the Sunday market many years ago, then dear Basanti, they will notify the WWF that you are not suitable for the scholarship even though you were selected by the WWF themselves. Then, what will you do? I guess you will come here and shout...hahaha. You were talking about an opthalmologist but the same thing happens to people in the Health too. Please go and read the third reply by “doctor” on the topic “Health Secretary’s unqualified daughter doing MBBS in Germany!!” in this same website. You will learn that if RCSC does not like you,no matter you are a doctor and you have got a specialization seat by yourself, they will cancel it. RCSC will not care whether we have enough specialists in Bhutan or not. RCSC will not care how difficult it is to find a specialization seat for our doctors. But if you have a strong background, RCSC will give you the “Go” immediately. This has happened to so many of our folks and having no where to go to complain , they are outbursting their frustrations here. Only those people who are either too innocent, or too ignorant like my dear Basanti, or are people with strong backgrounds who have gone abroad through some connections in the government, are the people who do not complain and are happy with the RCSC. If you do not believe me, go to http://www.kuenselonline.com and read the replies to that article on the topic “ is that true?” I am sure you will be more enlightened about these issues that you so blatantly try to cover up. You know, no matter how well you try to cover up the shits, it always stinks. And the sweetness of good things, no matter how well you try to contain it, will always effortlessly spread.
So, dear Basanti, please open your eyes a little wider, open your ears a little deeper, get out from that cradle of love and come out to this reality of our lives. It ain’t so fantastic and sweet like the baby lullabies, dear Basanti.I will write you more later when I have more time. In the meantime, dear Basanti, my good student, please do your homework.
I remain yours,
Dharmendra.
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 03:46 PM |
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Basanti….. You think you know everything mosh? Good for you! Akudrukpaa is someone who is doing great disservice to the country and you have sidelined Lengoeyes as a man with little knowledge. But considers yourself a lucky man for having had a golden opportunity to work with the true son of Bhutan. No doubt, he is a great man zero humility with strong gravitational field. there has to be soe pull and push factors…….Only yesterday a friend of mine asked me why most of the RCSC people go to US for masters? I said God knows!! cheers!
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| Posted: 15 July 2007 06:37 PM |
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Aunty Basanti, Fighting corruption is not deservice to the country. Fighting corruption is a collective responsibilty. I read on Aunty Neten’s website.
Yours,
Aku Amitabh Bachhan
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| Posted: 16 July 2007 04:08 AM |
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i am laloo but i find the hindi very difficlut to undestand. batoo and sangay tenzin and bap kesang realtions? very very much. i agrees. all these scholarships? i dont know whether they went. does such things happen in bhutan? very very much. who is right? only bap knows
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| Posted: 16 July 2007 08:29 AM |
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Akudrukpaa is getting too personal. Unless absolutely sure certain comments can do too much damage than intended. Either you had a bad quarrel with the Secretary’s daughter or the General’s daughter or some relatives, now you are trying to malign their images, which is not good. The irony is that you shoot them first and say you’re sorry or say u like them and than shoot them ( saying all nonsense about their fathers and saying daugthers “hamara friend"). A trend taking place in these kind of forums is getting too personal. E.g. I don’t like my class or college mates, so attack the parents online and likewise of working colleagues not liking each other . I won’t be surprised if Akudrukpaa turns out to be a Cornell student, anything is possible. The Guy with smiles everyday for you in the office can be the one actually trying to finish you off.
Sometimes I fear these forums. I am getting a feeling that we Bhutanese (true Bhutanese) are being used as pawns on the Chess Board. The Players are our Ngolops and external/international agencies/personalities. Almost every personality in this country is being attacked online. Whether they are designed to meet certain objectives of some external forces can not be undermined. In fact it has created so much mistrust in our cherished institutions and senior leaders. Is it designed for that? While it is healthy to bring to the public notice and discussions the truths but these basless /personal allegations can be quite destructive and will have implications to the country and its people.
Forums like bhutantimes.com and bhutandaily.com, we even do not know who operates them, which country they are located and their objectives. And we cooly get at each others’ throat without even realizing that we are being used for a different purpose all together.
My plea to all the online bhutanese users is please be very careful of what you write !!!
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Akudrukpa fighting corruption is a collective responsibility, however, worse than corruption is giving false information to malign an officer who has served his office and country with complete integrity and honesty. These kind of lies to defame is an act of subversion and done by those whose intent is to ruin our country to benefit their own vested interests.
To prove my point let me again tell you that Firstly, Brigadier Batoo whose daughter and son in law have gone for their masters in Cornell are not the nephew or niece or related in any way to RCSC Secretary. Secondaly their daughter Sonam Kesang although did her undergraduate from Canada could not qualify for a scholarship and as such her parents paid for their studies personally. She could not qualify for scholarship for her masters since last 3 years which is why she is still working in Thimphu. If RCSC secretary wanted to misuse his position then why didn’t he get a government scholarship for his daughter instead of paying himself and why doesn’t he get her a scholarship for her masters to Cornell etc. The fact is that RCSC secretary is a man of principles which is why only if his daughter fulfills all the conditions will he send her.
Finaly Akudrukpa, in your first post Brigadier Batoo’s name and Druk Air MD’s name was also mentioned, however, you have changed that post which only could have been done if you are one of the moderators of this site which makes me conclude that you have hidden agendas and that this site is not an unbiased forum but a forum with hidden agendas. Therefore, i will not be commenting anymore on this site because i do not want to be a tool for furthering someones hidden agendas. I do not think that your site has any credibility.
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basanti: however, you have changed that post which only could have been done if you are one of the moderators of this site
Actually, poster has ability to edit post for some time after post.
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Basanti,
You are just too ignorant or you are deliberately trying to ignore.
For your info, Batoo is no more Brig, he is Major General. Batoo, Bachu Phub Dorji (now working also in RCSC), Dasho Bap are all related.
Go and ask any one of them. They won’t lie to you. Related through marriage is related.
Go and educate yourself first.
Your defense will commit suicide goal.
Getting paid to do the job, no big deal. When His Majesty the IVth is not indispensible, NO ONE is!
Don’t get mix up between a person and the country.
Corruption and nepotism will destroy and make our country bleed slowly. There are so much corruption and nepotism in awarding sholarhips and jobs. We must correct them.
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Hello! AkuDrukkpa aka Lengo Eyes,
You seem to know a lot! All the three “Baps"( General Batoo, Dasho Bap & Bachu Phub Dorji) being related, huh! Why don’t you further research, may be Bap Kinga,
Bap Dorji, Bap Gyeltshen, Bap Dophu etc. or rather all the Baps are all related too. You indeed are a good researcher! Keep it up!
May peace prevail in your unhappy soul!!!
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And one more thing to ponder upon Aku!
“ What great ones do, the less will prattle of.” William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
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Akudrukkpa,
You bring up an important issue, especially if what you allege is true. You accuse Dasho off nepotism, i.e. he misused his position in the RGoB to benefit his family, right? Let us examine your accusation by using a rough yardstick, which I propose as under
If your accusation is to hold any water, just being related is not enough. Therefore the criteria I suggest are:
1. Proof of relation
2. Not being deserving of the scholarship and therefore unfair means were used to get the scholarship.
3. Or they got some extraordinary opportunity (denied to all others) based solely on relationship.
So akudrukkpa would you agree with these criteria, or is just establishing relationship enough. In fact I would say that proof of relationship is not proof of corruption. It is a motive, but just having a motive is not proof of corruption is it? It is indeed useful as a tool to investigate the alleged crime, but it should not rule out other forms of corruption such as favors for money, favors to friends, etc
Therefore to dissect aku’s claims:
1. We can drop Sonam Kesang (daughter) and Karma Tenzin (nephew) immediately as in the case of daughter, the accuser has withdrawn his accusation (slyly, by editing his earlier post, without admitting his mistake which goes to show his shallowness) and Karma Tenzin started his masters before Dasho’s time in RCSC.
2. So we are left with Rinchen Peldon, Singye Namgyel and Jigme Tenzin, Both RP and SN are RCSC selected and have served at least 3 years in the civil service, and JT is a professional in MOIC having served at least served 3 years too. As I don’t know their work output in the office I will not say they deserve or don’t deserve, only that aren’t professionals and RCSC selected the usual group in the civil service (including Teachers and Finance people) who are sent for Masters?
3. However we cannot still eliminate these three, though they may have been deserving (Civil service officers having at least fulfilled minimum service criteria), the more important question is did they get extraordinary opportunity that was denied to others?? I think not. I know of at least more than 20 others (probably more as I don’t work in RCSC) though I will not name them, who in the last few years have studied in America. Below is a list by ministry; interestingly about 9 attended Cornell University. They all can’t be his nieces and nephews can they??? Therefore they didn’t get some extraordinary opportunity that was not availible to others.
a. MOA: 5
b. MoE: 5
c. MoF: 1
d. MoIC: 1
e. MoHLR: 1
f. MTI : 5
g. MOWHS: 3
h. NEC: 2
i. RCSC: 2
j. SDS: 2
total: 27
This at least establishes that akudrukkpa lied (yet again) when he states that RCSC forbids scholarships to the US. So other than some (not all) of them being related to Dasho Bap, akudrukkpa has no other substance for his baseless allegations, and his constant changing of his post is an indication of his sincerity (or rather lack of it), I mean changing spellings, grammar, etc is one thing, but changing significantly the text of his post shows that he’s adding 2 and 2 and getting 5. He keeps saying he is an admirer of Dasho Bap and yet he hurls these baseless accusations at him. I quite agree with guluphulu, I wouldn’t be surprised if akudrukkpa is someone known to the people he accuses of corruption, I bet you he has just had something rejected by RCSC, and is venting his frustration in the guise of exposing corruption.
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