hello Ka_shit_head,
I had been ignoring all the time and especially your’s man, but after reading your last crappy pathetic attempt I just couldn’t help laughing. You can continue being a clown but stop getting emotional. What I was trying to say is if you have facts and figures then get them straight. Don’t try to wash away things by mentioning all those,,. human aspects, father-daughter relation, table to the right organizations, shark and tadpole, my country and all.. unnecessary man!! You must be a weak old chamchageri wasting time feeding doma and licking azzs.. If you don’t understand why people are making noise here – I tell you we wish to get rid of chamchageri fools like you or at least hoping you guys change your old-time rotten mindsets. “””””””u said.. Or did the unwittingly kick the shit out of you or someone you care!”””””””””” See, here you go exposing your weaknesses. Why should Health Secretary kick shit out of me to write something against this post? I speak when I think I have to speak!! huh, So there is a reason behind why you are trying to protect the secretary, right? Is it because you guys have been surviving all this time scratching each others back? Uhmm man, you can only save secretary’s image by keeping shut! bye

Doctor wrote
“But a daughter of a RBA Brigadier who did her MBBS from Sri Lanka went for her specialization to AFMC, Delhi as soon as she came back from Sri Lanka”

This is not correct. She is a daughter of a colonel Kesang Dorji and not a daughter of a brigadier. Do not blemish the name of brigadiers. KD is the Personnel Officer at Lungtenphu RBA Headquarters. He managed a slot at AFMC through RBA quota as there maybe no ARmy doctors. There is always an exception for Armed force personnel and you should not make a issue out of this. Army has helped RCSC sent civil doctors through army quota. Selection may have been partial but that happens everywhere and anywhere. Besides Army should not treated like civilian.

Kashitsawa, you are pahtetic!! You are promoting corruption and nepotisium. I have nothing much to say.

okay guys .. now the most interesting ... RESULT. I have been watching .. good english .. never reaching .. after all these pages of discussion and argument .. lets see the out come .. benefitting me .. after high school this is the first time I am ever participating in a forum .. sure it will help you improve your writing skill .. cheers

Moderator(junior) here:

two wrongs dont make a right. health secretary is wrong if he has done what he has done and rumour has it that he went to germany to fix this scholarship. army colonel or whoever is wrong is he has done what he has done. just because military doesnt mix with civil doesnt mean he can do what he wants. main issue is fairness. all bhutanese should have equal chance for equal results in exams.

still i will be happy to marry health secretary’s daughter since she is well qualified and i can relax

Thank you Pawo for your clarification. The girl who went to AFMC immediately after she reached back from MBBS in Sri Lanka was the Colonel’s daughter ( not the brigadier’s).

Pawo said these kind of things happen everywhere. I agree with him. It’s true. And it is because we all keep silent knowing such things happen everywhere and so ultimately the vicious cycle of corruption keeps on going in our small country. I am afraid, if we don’t say anything, and if we donot take steps to stop it, this vicious cycle of corrupt practices will get down into our bloods and then it will be catastrophic to our small country.  May be we can not do anything much being people of humble social standing, but if we do not expose these ugly things in our society and make the corrupted people realize, if we keep turning a blind eye to such unfair things happeneing in our country and keep our brothers and sisters of humble backgrounds forever suppressed , if we keep our tongue tied when such double standards happening in our one nation-one people-one law country, then one day, we will find that Bhutan is not different to Bihar.

Thank you Pawa also for confirming my facts. This issue has got nothing to do with me or any of my relatives. I don’t know the Health Secretary Gado. We work in very different ministries and perhaps we will never cross each other in this life. I don’t know his daughter either and I don’t have any ill will against her good fortune. I don’t know the daughter of that colonel too. I have nothing to do with her personally. But I think as responsible citizens of this country, we must bare out the double standard treatments of our people in the same country where His Majesty the fourth King Jigme Singye Wangchuck had been always speaking about one nation one people concept. We are all Bhutanese. We have one King. We have one small and a beautiful country. We have one law.Then why two different treatments? Some qualify and go to India . Some don’t even qualify but go to Germany. Some get private full scholarships but government does not allow the scholarship; some are sponsored by RGOB fully to developed countries. Kids of farmers who are poor land up hanging in the streets of Thimphu and Hongkong markets, or doing blue collar jobs after class 12; but kids of big shots who are rich and have money dissappear after their class 12 coz they get fabulous scholarshps partly or fully sponsored by RGOB. WHY?. Most of the kids of big shots in Canada have taken advantage of the many scholarship assistance by the Government of Canada for Bhutan and made it there by connections. Was the assistance meant for kids of big shots only? As a matter of fact, there are no one kid of middle class family with poor marks in class 12 in Canada. Not one!!.There are however, a bunch of big shot kids you never even dreamt will make it there!! There are some guys who didn’t do well in class 12 are in Austria and Netherlands. One boy and two girls. ( kids of one Lyonpo and one secretary). They are funded by the EU scholarship assistance to Bhutan. So I will leave it to you here....believe it or not..but that’s a drop of a fact in this wide ocean of lies.

dear readers
i think we need to bring such issues which are so pertinent to all of us, but which are never on surface. hidden deep down inside our system. this misuse of opportunity being used by some of the top privilege high official for their own benefit has been going on for so long and this form of corruption is highest in our form of govt. we need immediate cal to route out this happening and stop it once and forever. i m a concerned citizen.

Pawo....thanks for the clarification and validating my point here. The girl I referred to who went to AFMC, Delhi immediately after she came back from her MBBS in Sri Lanka was Colonel Kezang Dorji’s daughter and not a daughter of a Brigadier. Thank you. I apologize for the mistake.

And yes, I agree that military should not be treated like the civilians...you are right! We understand that military personnel have their own marshal laws and military rules of conduct. How can we treat them as we civilians? But that different treatment for military personnel will begin after you ARE IN THE MILITARY, not before that!

The daughter of the Colonel was a civilian and she completed her MBBS as a civilian. She did her MBBS in Sri Lanka funded by the RGOB (not RBA). She had also signed the undertaking with the RCSC.  I quote Ap Wangdrugay, “ The first clause of this undertaking reads,’ if a candidate do not return to Bhutan after their studies, or is not willing to work in RGOB, or he/she drops the course before completion without any medical problems, he/she must pay back twice the amount of the cost borne by the RGOB or the donor agencies in the name of RGOB for their scholarship’. The second clause of this undertaking reads, “on return from the scholarship, he/she must work in the government for twice the number of years spent during the scholarship”. Also, the new PCS rule of the RCSC states that an undergraduate must work in the rural areas for at least three years before going for any post graduate studies or seek promotion or transfer. This rule, in particular, had been applied to other doctors very strictly. Now, for this daughter of a Colonel, what happened? She had defied the rules by…

1.  She did not join civil service as she returned to Bhutan after completion of her studies. She joined RBA instead. Now, firstly, she signed the undertaking with the RCSC, not RBA. Doesn’t that mean she will have to pay twice the cost incurred by the RGOB on her MBBS since now she is in the RBA and not civil service? Doesn’t she have to work twice the number of years spent studying MBBS working in the civil service? Don’t you think she is still bound by the terms and conditions of the RCSC undertaking she had signed?
2.  She went for her post grad immediately she arrived here. Why is there a twist of the new PCS rule of the RCSC for her, especially?

Actually, being doctors both, I didn’t want to bring in this issue here but you know what, this is not fair, and this is not her first time defying the rules and getting away just like that. As a matter of fact, she did not qualify for MBBS in her ISC exam in 1998. She was sent for an engineering course by RCSC in Kerala in south India. After taking the course for about a year, she dropped the course saying that she got an army scholarship to do MBBS in Sri Lanka. Now, I don’t want to say anything but you can refer to the first clause of the RCSC undertaking and imagine what would have happened to you if you were she by dropping the course midway! Then in Sri Lanka, at first, people thought she was on a RBA scholarship but later on they learnt that she was also sponsored by RGOB jjuuuuussst like the other guys. Now you must be wondering how this kind of things could happen.

I have no hard feelings against her personally but I think it’s not fair. We can not afford to remain aloof about such practices of corruption and double standard rules just because it’s about someone we know, or someone related to us, or someone who is our friend. If anyone here think I did something wrong by telling you this naked truth, I beg your pardon but I think I did a great service to our “Tsa-Wa-Nyi,” especially to our King and our People.

Thi is the list of Bhutanese students under Govt. Canada scholarship. This is copied from the website of Canadian Co operation office in Bhutan . How many of these scholars are actually qualified on merit basis and have been processed through RCSC in keeping with the rules and regulations which are meant for all the Bhutanese students.

Bhutanese Scholars

List of Current Scholars:  Currently, there are 47 Bhutanese scholars studying in various programs in Canada. (If you notice any errors in the list below, please let us know.)

Student Name Institution Program
Ujjwal Deep Dahal UNB MSE (EE)
Tshering Dema UNB MCS
Tshering Dolkar UNB BBA
Kuenzang Doma UNB BBA (Acct + Econ)
Deki Choden Dorji UNB BA (ECON)
Tashi W. Dorji UNB BBA (Acct + Finance)
Ugyen Dorji UNB ME (EE)
Andu Dukpa UNB PhD (Engineering)
Dawa Gyeltshen UNB BSE
Tandin Jamtsho UNB MEngg
Samten Lungay UNB MBA
Thinley Norbu UNB BA
Mani Pelmo UNB MSC
Ugyen Tenzey UNB ME (CE)
Choni Tenzin UNB BSC (Psychology)
Jigme Tshering UNB BBA
Namgyal Tshering UNB BCS
Dradul Wangchuk UNB BCS (MMSYS)
Tandin Wangchuk UNB BCS
Tobgye K. Wangchuk UNB BA
Sonam Wangmo UNB MCS
Tshering Wangmo UNB MSE (Civil)
Pema Wangyal UNB BA
Rinzin Dukpa Lhamo UNBSJ BAMHT
Sonam Dendup Acadia BA (Soc/Psyc)
Tshewang Drukda Acadia BA (Eng)
Sanga Dorji McMaster
Kelzang Jamtsho SAIT Aircraft Mtce
Varun Dhital Seneca Graphic Design
Tshering Choden St.FX BA (Eng)
Thinley Dorji St.FX BA
Vivek Gautam St.FX BSc
Pelden Jigme St.FX BBA
Singye Lhamu St.FX BBA
Nidup Phuntsho St.FX BSC (Chem)
Wangyel Rigzin St.FX BA
Jigme Tenzin St.FX BSC (Geol)
Tshewang Tobgyel St.FX MEd (Ldrship)
Janchup Tsering Thompson Rivers BHMT
Jurmey Cheoden Trent BA (Soc)
Sonam Choki Trent BA (Eng)
Pedup Dukpa Trent BSC (Math)
Jigme Wangchuk Trent BA (History)
Tshering Doma Wangdi Trent BSC (Chem)
Tenzin Jamtsho UBC MEngg
Yeshey Nidup UBC MEngg
Tharchean York LLM

can some one give the back ground of the candidates ( their departments, and also sons or daughter of whom)

good day everyone

So doublespeak.....as you said there are names missing in the list.....so you see.....what we are shown is just the face of the coin.....the back and the depth of the coin are top secrets for people like us!!.....and people who have done this are not foolish either.....they know how to “ za shim le kha cha shey”.....you know there is some stinking shit somewhere but if you try to dig it, you will not find it because they have covered it up so well. Some years ago at the Asian Institute of Technology in Thailand, I had one friend. He told me this story.

My friend went to AIT to do a training course sponsored by RGOB. He got the scholarship after so much harassments at the RCSC. Sometimes when I am free I used to accompany him to the RCSC for his works and believe me the Fellowship Officer was so rude.  My friend’s documents had been on his table for months before he forwarded it further.I felt like to bash the hell out of that Fellowship Officer but sorry he is Jigme Singye’s nephew!! . He is Tshewang Jigme. This is the first ordeal.

But we never knew the nightmare was not yet over. Once he is over with the Fellowship Officer, he met with a Witch inside!. She was so talkative and so harsh that the rudeness of the Fellowship Officer we felt before had to be considered as gentle by any comparison. My friend almost had to beg, as she is a woman, to sign the papers and forward it to the Secretary. I felt like to god damn slap the hell out of this witch but sorry again because she is a Lyonpo’s mistress. This is the second ordeal.

Finally about one year and a half, his formalities got through RCSC. His duration of training was 2 years and he was entitled to receive a monthly stipend of 6000baht from the RGOB. Accomodation and fooding should be managed by himself. Tuition fees are paid by Thai government. Actually I once persuaded him to give up the scholarship because I felt it was not worth it, but he refused. He is a SO who finished many years ago from Deothang. He already had a family with two kids before he went for the training. He is from Trashigang. His parents work in the maize fields of Uzarong. He wanted to take that course inspite of such poor stipends because he wanted to upgrade his qualification. That was his dream and I didn’t interfere again with his dream.

Days went by into weeks and weeks ran into months and a year passed by. My friend stayed there as economic and as stringent as he could and tried to save few bucks per month to buy some gifts for his family when he came home. He didn’t want to come back empty handed, at least for the sake of his children. Then he got company. Another guy but many years junior to my friend came there for the same training. My friend said when he passed out from Deothang, that guy was in class 8. The junior also went through RCSC and was sponsored by the RGOB as well. But their life style in Bangkok was totally different. The junior guy lived his life so lavishly like he was in a paradise. He rented a well furnished apartment near the institute whereas my friend stayed in the dormitory provided by the institute. The junior went around travelling to almost all parts of Thailand. My friend could hardly afford to go to the downtown once in a while. My friend wondered how could the junior guy afford all these luxuries. My friend thought perhaps the guy was rich at home and he was receiving cash from home.

Then one day, a postman brought a letter to my friend. It was registered and addressed to the junior. It was also stamped “URGENT”. Since the postman could not find him, he brought the letter to my friend. He immediately took the letter to that junior but he was not there in his apartment and so he called the junior’s cellphone only to find that the junior had gone to the south to an island with a Thai girlfriend. My friend told him that he had got a letter stamped urgent from Bhutan. The junior told him to open it up and read him the contents through phone. The contents of the letter was like this.............

Dated....................
Sr. Finance Officer,
RCSC.

Subject: Demand draft.........

Dear...........,

We have forwarded your stipends US $ 750 per month by the demand draft number so and so.....via Western Union.........please acknowledge the receipt as soon as possible.......

Signed......
Mr Sonam Leki,
Sr. Finance Officer…
RCSC.

The junior guy was a Lyonpo’s nephew!!!.........minister of trade and industry..........

Here is the older list of Bhutanese students on Govt. of Canada scholarship, copied from the website of Canadian Office in Thimphu. Some of the students on the list must have completed the course. I can recognise two names, Sonam Chuki Zimba, Lyonpo Yeshey Zimba’s daughter and Sonam Deki Kesang, Dasho Bap Kesang’s daughter. I am not suggesting that they didn’t qualify for the scholarships. May be someone can shade some light on this.

CURRENT SCHOLARS

Currently, there are 56 Bhutanese scholars studying in various programs in Canada.

First Name Middle Name Second Name Institution Program
Choni Tenzin UNB BSC
Damcho Rinzin UNBSJ BAMHT
Darjay Wangdi UNB MBA
Dawa Gyeltshen UNBSJ BAMHT
Dechen Pelden Conestoga BBA
Deki Choden Dorji UNB BA (ECON)
Deki Phuntsho St.FX BIT
Dradul Wangchuk UNB BCS (MMSYS)
Jigme Wangchuk Trent BA ( History)
Jigme Tshering UNB BBA
Jigme Tenzin St.FX BSC (Geol)
Jurmey Cheoden Trent BA (Soc)
Karma Tenzin UNBSJ MSC (Biol)
Karma Yeshey UNB MED (Math)
Kelzang Jamtsho SAIT Aircraft Mtce
Kezang Deki UNB MED (Eng)
Kinlay Dorjee UNB MSE (Elect)
Kinley Wangdi UNB MED (math)
Kuenzang Doma UNB BBA (Acct + Econ)
Namgyal Tshering UNB BCS
Nawang Eden Trent BEnvSc
Nidup Phuntsho St.FX BSC (Chem)
Pasang Dorji UNB BBA
Pedup Dukpa Trent Bsc( Maths)
Pelden Jigme St.FX BBA
Pem Dem Stanford
Pema Tenzin Trent BBA
Rinzin Dorji UNB MSE (Elect)
Rinzin Wangchuk UNB ME (Civil)
Rinzin Dukpa Lhamo UNBSJ BAMHT
Roshan chhetri UNB ME(EE)
Sherub Tshomo UNB BA(Psyc)
Singye Lhamu St. FX BBA
Sonam Chuki Zimba Trent BBA
Sonam Dendup Acadia BA (Soc/Psyc)
Sonam Yanki Rabgye Trent BEnvSc
Sonam Choki Trent BA (Eng)
Sonam Yangden LBP HS Dip
Sonam Maekay Penjor UNB BBA
Sonam Deki Kesang UNB BA (Psyc)
Tamara Wangchuk Trent BA (Psyc)
Tandin Wangchuk UNB BCS
Tashi Lhamo UNBSJ BAMHT
Tashi Wangchuk Dorji UNB BBA (Acct + Finance)
Thinley Dorji St.FX BA
Tshering Doma Wangdi Trent Bsc(Chemistry)
Tshering Dolkar UNB BBA
Tshering Wangmo UNB BSE (Civil)
Tshering Choden UNB BSC (Biol)
Tshering Choden St.FX BA (Eng)
Tshewang Tobgyel St.FX MED (Ldrship)
Tshewang Drukda Acadia BA (Eng)
Tsokye Tsomo Karchung Trent BA
Ugyen Tenzey UNB ME(CE)
Wangyel Rigzin St.FX BA
Yeshey Choeki MED (Eng)

Doublespeak, by the way Deki Phuntso, ST. FX also is listed on the above list.

Just google Deki Phuntsho you will come across her business card with IBM Canada as the present employer.